Camilla Sacre-Dallerup is a Strictly Come Dancing winner, a motivational speaker, a hypnotherapist, a life coach, a Latin dance champion and an author.
At moment, she's the head judge on Dancing With The Stars NZ; but in between episodes I'm showing her a video of a gorilla twirling around in a paddling pool and asking her to judge it professionally.
To Camilla's credit, she's not deterred.
"Well, it's fabulous rotation," she says, about Zola the gorilla, who indeed rotates vigorously in the footage.
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She might have told Marama Fox she looked more like she was at a school disco than doing the cha-cha, but Camilla was happy to give viral star Backpack Kid a 9 out of 10.
"That's what I would call very good 'armography'," she says about the viral teen's 'flossing' move, which has captivated the youth of today. I can confirm that my nine-year-old nephew is incessantly flossing - but not his teeth.
"Good hip action there," she says. "I'm writing this down, because I need to rehearse this."
A clip of ill-fated celebrity couple Taylor Swift and Tom Hiddleston dancing at the 2016 Met Gala leaves Camilla unimpressed.
"You know, she should have got right up there and danced right into him, hip-rolling... and she just went the other way. Like, 'later mate, you're on your own'."
'Hiddleswift' scores a measly 5 out of 10, which is an astute observation, given the fact their three-month-long relationship lacked the chemistry necessary to make it long term.
Before I knew it, the YouTube playlist was finished, and Camilla was off - maybe to coach some mindfulness, pen a new self-help book, or more likely, practice her 'flossing'.
DWTS NZ airs Sundays 7pm and Mondays 7.30pm on Three, and all episodes can be viewed again on ThreeNow.