Tributes are pouring in for Kiwi cartoonist Murray Ball, who died yesterday at the age of 78.
The legendary cartoonist is best known for creating the long-running Footrot Flats comic series.
But you might not know that Ball went to school in apartheid-era South Africa.
He was a junior All Black... but led the protests against the 1981 Springbok tour.
He also played rugby for Manawatu against the British Lions in the 1950s.
Murray's close friend and fellow cartoonist Tom Scott - called Murray's work "fiercely political and fiercely egalitarian".
He spoke to Duncan Garner.
Watch the video for the full interview.
