For new dad Mike Wesley-Smith and his wife, welcoming their baby girl Evelyn into the world was the happiest day of their lives.
Their saddest day was losing their first baby.
Episode four of the podcast Man-Child - Baby Loss - deals with the difficult, but not uncommon, topic of baby loss.
Mike shares his story of losing his baby, and interviews other parents who have also experienced loss.
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He talks to Sarah Numan, one of the founders of Baby Loss New Zealand - a charity set up to support parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth or infancy.
Mike learns that talking about baby loss with friends and family is important and that parents have the right to make memories with their lost child.
Join Mike on his journey into fatherhood.