Labour Leader Andrew Little isn't scared of Gareth Morgan, but he doesn't really want to talk about him.
At the opening of Labour's annual conference Mr Little wanted to be talking Labour - so he did.
In fact, in the space of a 12 minute press conference he managed to say the phrase "change the government" more than 25 times.
Every question about Mr Morgan and his newly formed political party, "The Opportunities Party" was answered on message.
"No it's great to see him in our corner," he said briefly before moving on to the message he'd repeat throughout the entire media conference.
"In the end if we want to get issues like housing like education like health fixed there's only one way and that is to change the government there's only one party that can lead a change of government and that's Labour."
Every question ended with a variation of the following:
"We have to change the Government - there's only one party that can lead a change of government and that's the Labour Party."
Mr Little did praise Mr Morgan's work - before swiftly moving back on message.
"He's done some great work and he's got some good people and the ideas or the issues that he's talked about are the very top issues that are the problem with New Zealand today. And if we want to fix them, we need to change the government."