New National leader Todd Muller is aware he's not very well-known amongst the public.
He told Magic Talk's Sunday Cafe he's spent most of his time in politics working in rural areas, so understands why city folk might not know his name - or how to pronounce it.
"In those communities I'm pretty well-known, but you're quite right - in some of the urban cities of the country, they haven't heard of me. Didn't really know how to say my last name until I put them right."
Sunday Cafe host Roman Travers asked Muller some quick-fire questions to find out more about the man who wants to be Prime Minister.
Favourite politician of all-time
Most-admired local politician
"I thought he was a remarkable politician."
"Pork crackling on the top, I love that, and apple crumble and cream for dessert."
Favourite overseas destination
"Cambodia. I went there 30 years ago and it was quite extraordinary."
The Green Mile
U2 and Dire Straits
"Look at me, [I'm] old. You'll call me 'OK Boomer' shortly."
(Muller was the MP whose interjection prompted Chloe Swarbrick's infamous 'OK Boomer' quip that made headlines around the world.)
"My close friend actually has a Mustang, and he's on the same street and I hear it park up every day and I have a sense of ooh, I'd love one of those."
Does he want to change the flag?
Yes, but don't expect a referendum.
"I'd like it to change, but it's just, I mean, you know, you had a vote to get it done, it didn't work. Can you imagine saying you think that's important?"